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105 months ago

Barbara R. Cochran (a guest user) asked this question:

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105 months ago

www.buero-garisch.de   wrote:

without wanting it more for them than they do themselves

105 months ago

Marie-Claire   wrote:

without infringing on their free will

My comment:

It means, but it has come to come from them, without forcing anything on them.

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105 months ago

   wrote:

I like both translations: "without infringing..." and "without forcing..."

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105 months ago

martynback   wrote:

..believing in them and their potential without thinking in their stead.

My comment:

There's a word missing Barbara -- I'm guessing, it's "penser" - sans vouloir penser pour eux. But of course it could be something else!

without thinking for them / thinking in their stead / their place
without doing their thinking for them

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105 months ago

   wrote:

I thought that it might mean, "without them (the facilitators) actually willing it for them," meaning the participants have to will it for themselves, i.e., be sincere about wanting to make progress, instead of relying on the facilitator for everything, even though the facilitator does care.

105 months ago

martynback   wrote:

You may be right actually - it's a bit of a weird construction. Let's see what the French natives say about it.

105 months ago

Marie-Claire   wrote:

Yes. I had that feeling too, that a word is missing.

105 months ago

martynback   wrote:

Aha!

105 months ago

martynback   wrote:

If it really meant "vouloir pour eux" I think you'd say it in a different way - "usurper leur volonté" or something like that...