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80 months ago

Barbara R Cochran (a guest user) asked this question:

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80 months ago

Carlos Pablo MIGUES-LABANCA, BSc.   wrote:

retraversing the same path they had followed on the outward voyage

80 months ago

Carlos Pablo MIGUES-LABANCA, BSc.   wrote:

retracing their path / route

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80 months ago

   wrote:

I agree: "retrace one's steps" is standard English for "(ri)tornare sui propri passi" (in French: "revenir sur ses pas", "rebrousser chemin"). https://www.wordreference.com/enit/retrace https://www.wordreference.com/fren/rebrousser%20chemin https://www.wordreference.com/enfr/retrace : "If you lose your keys, try retracing your steps to see where you left them." https://www.thefreedictionary.com/retrace : "retrace: 1. to go back over (one's steps, a route, etc) again: we **retraced the route** we took last summer." "retrace: 1. to **trace backward**; go back over: to retrace one's steps." However, I see nothing wrong with: "(they) resumed their return trip, following the same itinerary as on the outward journey" I see no need for shortening the sentence to: "(they) resumed their return trip, retracing their route/path" Especially as it was a very long trip: "Ha così inizio ***il lunghissimo e avventuroso viaggio di Giovanni da Pian del Carpine*** fino a Karakorum, ***alla corte del Gran Khan Guyuk****; ***due anni e mezzo*** costellati di spettacoli raccapriccianti, fatiche e stenti, ma anche di racconti e incontri favolosi." at http://www.lulu.com/shop/giovanni-da-pian-del-carpine/storia-dei-mongoli/paperback/product-20513981.html "Güyük Khan (...) was the third Great Khan of the Mongol Empire" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%BCy%C3%BCk_Khan "Giovanni da Pian del Carpine (..) was a medieval Italian diplomat, archbishop and explorer - and ***one of the first Europeans to enter the court of the Great Khan of the Mongol Empire***. He is the author of the earliest important Western account of northern and central Asia, Rus, and other regions of the Mongol dominion." at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_da_Pian_del_Carpine

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80 months ago

Charles Ferguson   wrote:

the same route as they went

My comment:

My inclination is to keep it simple, but of course that's dependent on your own preferences.

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80 months ago

   wrote:

Dear Charles, I cannot find any Internet occurrence of that expression. It sounds to me like oral English, but incorrect English - yet I might be wrong... Can you offer any link (hyperlink) proving your suggestion?

80 months ago

Charles Ferguson   wrote:

http://www.rotary-ribi.org/districts/page.php?PgID=553607&DistrictNo= The translation is conversational and not an elevated way of saying things, but it does exist. The style is on the preference of the translator.

80 months ago

Josephine Cassar   wrote:

on the outward journey

My comment:

taking the same itinerary they had taken for the outward/outbound/first leg: https://www.wordreference.com/iten/andata

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80 months ago

Charles Ferguson   wrote:

AGREE. Indeed, the Collins dictionary (reliable) on Wordreference.com says: "andata [anˈdata] sf (viaggio): outward journey ***all'andata*** c'era brutto tempo: ***on the outward journey*** there was bad weather" See also the translation into French of a similar English expression: (since you understand French): "***outward route n (= outbound course of a journey) : aller*** nm The outward route was via Carlisle and the return was via York." --- "First leg" (the other answer here below) is for SPORTS: the same dictionary as here above adds: "partita/girone di andata (***Sport***): ***first leg***/first half of the season" and in its English-French part: "***1st leg: match aller*** !! Celtic won the first leg 2-0. : Celtic a gagné le match aller 2 à 0. 2nd leg : match retour" at https://www.wordreference.com/enfr/leg?s=first%20leg

80 months ago

Josephine Cassar   wrote:

We do use first leg if it is a planned journey with various stops/parts though; if it is just the coming and returning, we would use 'outbound/outward journey/part of the journey.

80 months ago

Josephine Cassar   wrote:

Yes, I was just going to add that: "leg" also means "stage of a journe" (in French: "étape"). But this is in the SAME DIRECTION as the rest of the journey. Whereas here we speak of a return trip. See our WordReference.com page again: "(stage)[of journey] : étape (f)" at https://www.wordreference.com/enfr/leg So the first answer was WRONG in any case... ;-)

80 months ago

Josephine Cassar   wrote:

No, I understand that they went back the way they had come when they had their answer, taking the same way, just like they had come.

80 months ago

John Pinna   wrote:

the same itinerary as their departure/first leg

My comment:

Hi Barbara,

"percorso all'andata" - "traveled at departure/first leg"

BUT

I found this a bit tricky to word naturally in English. Ultimately, I think a little rewording wouldn't hurt: "After receiving Guyuk's answer, G de PC and his companion resumed their return trip, following the same itinerary as their departure/first leg..."

I'm curious to see what other translators have to say.

Good luck!