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69 months ago

Amanda Haste PhD, DipTrans(IoLET), MCIL, CL   asked this question:

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69 months ago

Robert Tucker   wrote:

multitude(s) receiving assistance condemned (to)/condemned multitude(s) on welfare assistance

My comment:

When and where exactly is this? Germany: after WWI, Weimar, early Nazi, WWII, post-WWII? France: pre-Vichy, Vichy, post-Vichy?

Ils sont condamnés *à quelque chose*? There's a full stop after "condamnés"?

https://www.cairn.info/revue-revue-d-histoire-de-la-shoah-2006-2-page-45.htm#
https://www.cairn.info/revue-archives-juives1-2012-1-page-10.htm

69 months ago

MatthewHallisy   wrote:

Helpless and doomed people

My comment:

It's the same as you would say to a convict on death row.

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69 months ago

   wrote:

Amanda, Matthew, I agree with this answer: "considered Jews as a bunch of helpless and doomed people". See https://www.wordreference.com/fren/assist%C3%A9 (= "who expects everything to be done for him/her, with a sense of entitlement") and https://www.wordreference.com/enfr/doomed (= "ill fated"). N.B. "une foule de" means "many" but here with a pejorative sense, like "un ramassis de" in French: "B. − Péj. Rassemblement disparate de gens peu estimables." https://www.cnrtl.fr/definition/ramassis => in English "a bunch of", cf. https://www.wordreference.com/fren/ramassis .

69 months ago

MatthewHallisy   wrote:

This quote of yours is on the money: "Rassemblement disparate de gens peu estimables" It subtlely indicates a disassociation with these people, much like the term "Les Misérables".

69 months ago

Amanda Haste PhD, DipTrans(IoLET), MCIL, CL   wrote:

Fabulous, Matthew - this was just the sense I was looking for, but couldn't find the words.

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69 months ago

CMD   wrote:

branded welfarerecipients (of no use)

My comment:

cf Dict. PR condamner = flétrir, désapprouver
assisté, i.e. personne qui bénéficie d'aides soc.

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69 months ago

CMD   wrote:

cf Dict. PR flétrir = marquer un criminel avec un fer rouge, frapper d'une condamnation ignominieuse, infamante to brand a criminel ... to impose an ignominious, infamous condemnation

69 months ago

CMD   wrote:

Quite right. Given the context, it is the likeliest translation.

69 months ago

Ffion Marianne Moyle   wrote:

A condemned hopeless bunch of people

My comment:

I think this is what it means [horrible!] - another alternative might be in more colloquial terms - 'A bunch of losers' or 'a hopeless bunch destined to lose out in life';

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69 months ago

Amanda Haste PhD, DipTrans(IoLET), MCIL, CL   wrote:

Yes, that is my take on it. Dreadful, I agree, but definitely seeing the Jews as a burden and disposable.

69 months ago

Amanda Haste PhD, DipTrans(IoLET), MCIL, CL   wrote:

Amanda, In your questions (e.g. this one and the previous one), would you care to give us a BROADER CONTEXT, e.g. AT LEAST THE ENTIRE SENTENCE, possibly the previous sentence. And, in this question, WHICH COUNTRY is it? Indeed, as you might know, WORDS HAVE SEVERAL MEANINGS, so in order to determine WHICH MEANING each word has (including the tone, insinuations, etc), one need the ENTIRE CONTEXT, not just a couple of words. For example, here, I never heard that Jews were considered as "assistés". "Condamnés" ("doomed" sounds O.K.), yes, but "assistés" (by social security?)?... Thank you so much. Regards,

69 months ago

Ffion Marianne Moyle   wrote:

a horde of people who participated in/brought about/caused their own condemnation

My comment:

Or who enabled their own condemnation.